Friends in High Places

23rd Jul 2022, 11:57 AM

Friends in High Places
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BUMBLEBEE on 23rd Jul 2022, 11:57 AM

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Can't drop a bomb on a guy when he's in the presidential palace of the country next door...



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Oldarmourer on 23rd Jul 2022, 3:28 PM

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Sure you can, they work the same as always and you get a chance to blame it on the other guy

BUMBLEBEE on 23rd Jul 2022, 11:13 PM

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In the long run it would have been the better decision…

Oldarmourer on 24th Jul 2022, 6:42 AM

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The West's biggest mistake in the ME or in any other place is not looking at what the locals assume is the way to do things and following that.
If the policies and actions in general use throughout the area had been implemented the entire operation would have been over in a week, permanently.

BUMBLEBEE on 24th Jul 2022, 10:47 AM

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I guess it depends on how much idealism is a motivating factor. If the objective is, and I’m not saying it ever was, to export democracy for the benefit of the indigenous people, that comes with the assumption that our ways are better at least some of the time, and we shouldn’t defer to local ways if they’re in conflict with our perception of “right” and “wrong.” But idealism rubs off pretty quick in war and pragmatism has to take over.

Of course some things provide the clarity of being both wrong and counterproductive, as the Russkies are demonstrating so well in Ukraine…

Oldarmourer on 24th Jul 2022, 1:50 PM

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'democracy' is just another name for 'mob rules', that's why the US is a Republic and most other countries aren't democracies either except in name, with most socialist, communist or just plain dictatorships slipping the 'democratic people's...' in there somewhere.

The biggest problem the West has today is basing foreign policy on what a bunch of kids have decided they want...or more precisely what the people subverting them want, that and the fear of people believing what the paid for media might say if it doesn't match what the people paying them want them to say.
There's a lot of money to be made in a conflict, and some sides pay better than others.

BUMBLEBEE on 24th Jul 2022, 4:11 PM

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I don't disagree with any of that... I would love for principle and compassion to be our guiding light, but it just doesn't work that way except in 1950's history books. Still there is something to be said for faking it till you make it!

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